Perhaps upcoming particular reasoning to the extended years suddenly searching for the the new heraldry may come to help you white

I think Tim is upload brand new scans of one’s picture so you’re able to his site, and certainly will blog post you to link to the newest newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Coats-of-Possession

associations of the members, (this new Wingfields have been explored fairly Grekiska kvinnor för äktenskap well, and you will despite my personal typo for the Howard nearest and dearest, I do have the pedigree correctly annotated here in RI) >>

I’m not sure it is an exact report. Do your own guide target brand new age group *prior* to John Russell whom e mom and dad out-of Age Russell exactly who yards Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn partner out of Malise

You will find next in order to fill in a number of the openings your reveal forthe great-grand-parents from Reginald le Cheyne. One of the primaryadditions is due to their paternal grandma (NN on the article) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de- Moray), brother and you can coheiress off Freskinde Moravia out of Duffus (her mothers Walter de- Moravia and you may Euphemia ofRoss appear less than). You’ve got the concern concerning his maternalgrandmother: I hold she was Joanna de Menteith, next spouse off Malise,Earl out of Strathearn. This would at least render a virtually explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen away from Strathearn (partner successively ofReginald ce Cheyne, the daddy, and of Sir David de Graham) beingnamed to have Helen de- Menteith, brother out of Joanna and you may wife from Sir ColinCampbell out of Lochow (d. bef Can get 1343).

Unfortunately, I do believe there are extra gaps in Muriel Keith’sancestry (come across below). Regarding either enhancements proposed with the tablesbelow, please recommend of every noted problems, otherwise what documentationmight mean people mistake indexed.

We have openings in both ancestries, but fiercely for the reason that out of Reginald.To own Muriel Keith, their higher-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I am not saying familiar with any documentation giving support to the identification on the mate just like the Barbara Seton. When you have indexed one, please advise.

3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander out of /Fraser/ Chamberlain out of Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser hitched Mary Bruce (or de Brus), together with good child John defined as ‘nepos’ out of Robert _the_Bruce. That it son is a young John, but not, and never their heir. John Fraser, after lord from Aboyne, is the fresh new young buck regarding a primary relationships (this partner unknown; I’ve which for the authority out of Andrew MacEwen).

step three Walter de Moravia (young man of Hugh de- Moravia, and you will Annabela out-of Fife) cuatro Euphemia regarding Ross (dau. of Fearchar, very first Earl of Ross and you can NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl out of /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de Menteith (young man out-of Walter Stewart, E out of Menteith and you may

This new consanguinity anywhere between Muriel Keith and you may Reginald le Cheyne -proven to were a great-grandson away from Malise, Earl from Strathearn (d.1312) – is the only facts (when the secondary) these particular a couple individualshad at least one predecessor/ancestress in common.

You will find openings in ancestries, but ferociously in this away from Reginald.For Muriel Keith, their particular great-grand-parents I show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander out-of /Fraser/ Chamberlain from Scotland d 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/seven NN Fraser8 NN

To own Reginald ce Cheney it’s sparse1 NN Cheney , dos NN, step 3 NN, 4 NN5 Malise, 6th Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 and you will 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, in Leicestershire. Age is actually brand new d Villiers and you will Agnes Beler. Today, I would like to link Agnes so you can Sir Roger Beler, murdered from the Eustace de Folville, but I can’t get a hold of any details about their own. Can also be people let?